Comments on: http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/ Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:24:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: Natalie http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6941 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:38:44 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6941 WOO HOO!!! I'm so glad to read this!! The adendum has me snorking in incredulity. What people come up with to complain about absolutely astounds me. How DARE the government expect parents to parent their children! o.O Whaaaa?? And yeah... those kids, they can get into porn outside the house! How will we protect them? Me wonders what happens when the kid turns 18? Do parents think that preventing kids from accessing content for 18 years will really continue once that age limit's no longer in place? I see that with so many things.... and I think it's such a BAD approach to parenting. Ugh. WOO HOO!!! I’m so glad to read this!!

The adendum has me snorking in incredulity. What people come up with to complain about absolutely astounds me. How DARE the government expect parents to parent their children! o.O Whaaaa?? And yeah… those kids, they can get into porn outside the house! How will we protect them? Me wonders what happens when the kid turns 18? Do parents think that preventing kids from accessing content for 18 years will really continue once that age limit’s no longer in place? I see that with so many things…. and I think it’s such a BAD approach to parenting. Ugh.

]]> by: Lauren http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6323 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:05:36 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6323 Woooooo! Yay, you (and all the other plaintiffs, of course)! Congratulations. :) Woooooo! Yay, you (and all the other plaintiffs, of course)! Congratulations. :)

]]> by: Heather Corinna http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6291 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:12:03 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6291 http://blog.aclu.org/index.php?/archives/154-COPA-We-Won!.html Try that one? And Chris is talking about Minneapolis, the big meanie. Not nice! http://blog.aclu.org/index.php?/archives/154-COPA-We-Won!.html

Try that one?

And Chris is talking about Minneapolis, the big meanie. Not nice!

]]> by: Pony http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6289 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:05:24 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6289 The link isn't working Heather. Christopher: 60 degrees WHERE? The link isn’t working Heather.

Christopher: 60 degrees WHERE?

]]> by: Pony http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6288 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:02:07 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6288 Thanks Heather. I'll have a read. Thanks Heather. I’ll have a read.

]]> by: Heather Corinna http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6284 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:16:38 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6284 Thing is, Pony, this law was all about "it is what you think it is," and that was the problem: the defintion in COPA was very much mutable, which the judge spoke to. Essentially, COPA defined what was "sexually explicit" or obscene as whatever "community standards" would find to be "in the prurient interest," (in other words, whatever any one person or group of people could say appeared to them to be there for someone to whack off to or be aroused by), and in the aspects of it that were not that vague, included things like any depiction of a female breast, iof any given person decided that depiction wasn't something THEY found of scientific or artistic value. The reason we won this case is that COPA would have defined sites like Scarleteen as pornography. COPA would in no way have done ANYTHING to tackle the harm pornography does -- quite the opposite really. In fact, you'll note that my statement up at the ACLU on this case is pretty anti-pornography. COPA would have just resulted in greater profit for porn as an industry, and mainstreamed porn even further by institutionally conflating all sorts of display of the female body, of the genitals; language about sexuality, sexual health information, as pornography. Again, there is a reason the big-biz pornographers were on the government's side for this one, not our side. Catherine Crump's blog on the win makes some of that more clear, <a href-"http://blog.aclu.org/index.php?/archives/154-COPA-We-Won!.html">here.</a> Thing is, Pony, this law was all about “it is what you think it is,” and that was the problem: the defintion in COPA was very much mutable, which the judge spoke to. Essentially, COPA defined what was “sexually explicit” or obscene as whatever “community standards” would find to be “in the prurient interest,” (in other words, whatever any one person or group of people could say appeared to them to be there for someone to whack off to or be aroused by), and in the aspects of it that were not that vague, included things like any depiction of a female breast, iof any given person decided that depiction wasn’t something THEY found of scientific or artistic value.

The reason we won this case is that COPA would have defined sites like Scarleteen as pornography. COPA would in no way have done ANYTHING to tackle the harm pornography does — quite the opposite really. In fact, you’ll note that my statement up at the ACLU on this case is pretty anti-pornography. COPA would have just resulted in greater profit for porn as an industry, and mainstreamed porn even further by institutionally conflating all sorts of display of the female body, of the genitals; language about sexuality, sexual health information, as pornography. Again, there is a reason the big-biz pornographers were on the government’s side for this one, not our side. Catherine Crump’s blog on the win makes some of that more clear, here.

]]> by: Pony http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6279 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:21:55 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6279 Ahhh well. I'm not with you on this Heather. I do want such laws, but not being American, I don't know how good this law was or wasn't. Pornography is not what it has been defined as on Scarleteen, I think this is pornography, and I want it stopped. Period. I just don't think it's "whatever you think it is". I think it's institutionalized prostitution, and prostitution is harmful to women. It's the "abuse or degradtion" part that separates pornography from what you do here. It' s not a mutable definition. :) " Pornography - Definition Pornography today is a multi-million dollar industry that is growing exponentially through the web. Sociologist Diana Russell defines pornography as "material that combines sex and/or the exposure of genitals with abuse or degradation in a manner that appears to endorse, condone, or encourage such behavior." The word, pornography, is drawn from the Greek words porne (female captive, slave or prostitute) and graphos (writing or drawing). Thus the etymology of the word links graphic portrayal of women with bondage and inequality with men. " Ahhh well. I’m not with you on this Heather. I do want such laws, but not being American, I don’t know how good this law was or wasn’t. Pornography is not what it has been defined as on Scarleteen, I think this is pornography, and I want it stopped. Period. I just don’t think it’s “whatever you think it is”. I think it’s institutionalized prostitution, and prostitution is harmful to women. It’s the “abuse or degradtion” part that separates pornography from what you do here. It’ s not a mutable definition.

:)

” Pornography - Definition

Pornography today is a multi-million dollar industry that is growing exponentially through the web. Sociologist Diana Russell defines pornography as “material that combines sex and/or the exposure of genitals with abuse or degradation in a manner that appears to endorse, condone, or encourage such behavior.” The word, pornography, is drawn from the Greek words porne (female captive, slave or prostitute) and graphos (writing or drawing). Thus the etymology of the word links graphic portrayal of women with bondage and inequality with men. “

]]> by: Christopher http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6277 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:57:25 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6277 You are a goddess (but you knew that;-), and free speech is in your debt! (on an un-related sidebar, it's gonna be SIXTY today, in LynLake, speaking of happy dances!) You are a goddess (but you knew that;-), and free speech is in your debt!

(on an un-related sidebar, it’s gonna be SIXTY today, in LynLake, speaking of happy dances!)

]]> by: Don Thieme http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6228 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:33:22 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6228 Congratulations on a hard-won victory. Congratulations on a hard-won victory.

]]> by: Jen http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6207 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:32:01 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/03/22/music-and-passion-were-always-the-fashion-at-the-copa/#comment-6207 Woohoo!!! I'm so happy for you, hon!!! Woohoo!!! I’m so happy for you, hon!!!

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