Comments on: http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:44:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: Tworzenie Stron Gorzow http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-389840 Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:18:32 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-389840 I precisely had to thank you very much all over again. I'm not certain the things I might have worked on in the absence of the actual creative ideas documented by you regarding that situation. It was the frightful problem in my view, nevertheless being able to see the specialized tactic you managed it made me to weep for gladness. Now i am happier for your support and as well , believe you comprehend what a great job your are getting into training some other people through the use of your web site. Most probably you have never encountered any of us. I precisely had to thank you very much all over again. I’m not certain the things I might have worked on in the absence of the actual creative ideas documented by you regarding that situation. It was the frightful problem in my view, nevertheless being able to see the specialized tactic you managed it made me to weep for gladness. Now i am happier for your support and as well , believe you comprehend what a great job your are getting into training some other people through the use of your web site. Most probably you have never encountered any of us.

]]> by: Ariel http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18802 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:14:35 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18802 So I've been thinking about this some more, and I realize that I completely overlooked the biggest issue with the age/disco camping issue ... something struck me as initially not quite right in the logic, and I thought it was the age thing (which I'll still stick to), but realized that it's actually something much simpler: camping and music festivals are different activities that shouldn't be compared. I call this error in logic the TENT FALLACY, because although there are tents involved in both outdoor activities, in most other ways they are quite opposite. Shambhala isn't camping -- It's an outdoor electronic music festival. You don't go to a music festival to commune with nature ... you go for music culture, which is inherently social and functionally the opposite of why one goes camping. One goes to a music festival not for the nature (although it's nice to enjoy music outside) but for the music and people and cultural excitement -- including fabulous fashion. I love backpacking and my camping trips outnumber festivals 2-to-1 ... and I certainly didn't wear festival finery when backpacking with my dad and Andreas last month. I wore sweatpants and the same tshirt for 4 days. I sat quietly and drank tea and played with river stones. I walked to the top of a ridge and listened to the wind. Anyway, I still don't think this has much to do with age ... but I also don't think it really even have much to do with how your views of camping differ from your friends'. Camping is one thing (quite, nature, away from it all). Music festivals are another (loud, cultural, social). I enjoy both outdoor activities. Sounds like you only one. No problems there, but I would resist confusing the one you enjoy with one you don't by lumping the two together simply because tents are involved in both. So I’ve been thinking about this some more, and I realize that I completely overlooked the biggest issue with the age/disco camping issue … something struck me as initially not quite right in the logic, and I thought it was the age thing (which I’ll still stick to), but realized that it’s actually something much simpler: camping and music festivals are different activities that shouldn’t be compared. I call this error in logic the TENT FALLACY, because although there are tents involved in both outdoor activities, in most other ways they are quite opposite.

Shambhala isn’t camping — It’s an outdoor electronic music festival. You don’t go to a music festival to commune with nature … you go for music culture, which is inherently social and functionally the opposite of why one goes camping. One goes to a music festival not for the nature (although it’s nice to enjoy music outside) but for the music and people and cultural excitement — including fabulous fashion.

I love backpacking and my camping trips outnumber festivals 2-to-1 … and I certainly didn’t wear festival finery when backpacking with my dad and Andreas last month. I wore sweatpants and the same tshirt for 4 days. I sat quietly and drank tea and played with river stones. I walked to the top of a ridge and listened to the wind.

Anyway, I still don’t think this has much to do with age … but I also don’t think it really even have much to do with how your views of camping differ from your friends’. Camping is one thing (quite, nature, away from it all). Music festivals are another (loud, cultural, social). I enjoy both outdoor activities. Sounds like you only one. No problems there, but I would resist confusing the one you enjoy with one you don’t by lumping the two together simply because tents are involved in both.

]]> by: Molly http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18730 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:17:45 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18730 Um. I just re-read that, and the last paragraph should actually tell you that people pick berries out of bushes and fruit out of trees, and that there are composting toilets that I think are cool. No one picks berries out of the composting toilets, because, um, EW. Um. I just re-read that, and the last paragraph should actually tell you that people pick berries out of bushes and fruit out of trees, and that there are composting toilets that I think are cool. No one picks berries out of the composting toilets, because, um, EW.

]]> by: Molly http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18729 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:15:51 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18729 We (as in, you, Jonathon and I) should sometime pretend that we could take a whole week off and go camping in this fantastic little out of the way forest in Montana that he and I visited on The Great Roadtrip of 2003. We had to drive up a long, dusty dirt road that was blocked by dozens of cows to get there, and it was seriously the most magical place I've ever, ever been. Green, leafy, mossy...quiet, 'cept for the nature sounds. It was a national park, I think. Cost something like $3 per night to camp there. Can you imagine anything wonderful costing only $3? It's unbelievable. It would also be a wonderful place to do some nudes in nature, and oh, hey, look, we'd both have a willing model for just such a thing! :) Also, I think you might sometime like <a href="http://www.foresthostel.com/" rel="nofollow">The Hostel In The Forest</a>, which is my favorite place on earth. (And, granted, I haven't been that many places, but it's at least one of my favorites thus far.) They have a lake, and baby ducks, natural pools and community vegetarian (and usually vegan) meals. People sometimes in the organic, community gardens and pick berries right of the trees. Oh, and also, composting toilets. Which kinda freaks some people out, but I think is really awesome and interesting and self-sustaining. :) We (as in, you, Jonathon and I) should sometime pretend that we could take a whole week off and go camping in this fantastic little out of the way forest in Montana that he and I visited on The Great Roadtrip of 2003. We had to drive up a long, dusty dirt road that was blocked by dozens of cows to get there, and it was seriously the most magical place I’ve ever, ever been. Green, leafy, mossy…quiet, ‘cept for the nature sounds. It was a national park, I think. Cost something like $3 per night to camp there. Can you imagine anything wonderful costing only $3? It’s unbelievable. It would also be a wonderful place to do some nudes in nature, and oh, hey, look, we’d both have a willing model for just such a thing! :)

Also, I think you might sometime like The Hostel In The Forest, which is my favorite place on earth. (And, granted, I haven’t been that many places, but it’s at least one of my favorites thus far.) They have a lake, and baby ducks, natural pools and community vegetarian (and usually vegan) meals. People sometimes in the organic, community gardens and pick berries right of the trees. Oh, and also, composting toilets. Which kinda freaks some people out, but I think is really awesome and interesting and self-sustaining. :)

]]> by: Candy Poses http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18720 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:04:09 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18720 Heather- I've tried sending you several emails, but they seem to keep bouncing. I'm interested in volunteering- give me a call (I think I've sent you my number before) or email! Heather- I’ve tried sending you several emails, but they seem to keep bouncing. I’m interested in volunteering- give me a call (I think I’ve sent you my number before) or email!

]]> by: fish http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18705 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:11:01 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18705 My burning man experiences involved going to sleep around 10 or 11 every night and getting up with the dawn to meander through the installations all by myself in the cool morning air. Not on purpose, that's just the way it happened. I don't really like extended time with large groups, but the artwork was phenomenal (and silly, sometimes) and I think I got a lot out of it. I also liked afternoon siesta time, in the hottest part of the day, when we'd sit in the shade and drink margaritas and talk while just about everyone else napped. I don't know that you'd get the same kind of inspiration out of it I did, and there was plenty of stupidity and thoughtlessness to deal with (like the girls who peed in the temple in our art installation one fine morning, and all the people who drove away and left their trash). I don't plan to go again, but I'm glad I went. On the other stuff, wineries! and I'm glad to hear Mark may be on his way back. I hope he has an uneventful trip! In the evening after my latest CT scan, I went to a birthday party and was fairly loopy. At some point in the evening, I just randomly shouted out "Mike Wazowski!" Not sure what caused it, but apparently it was pretty funny. My burning man experiences involved going to sleep around 10 or 11 every night and getting up with the dawn to meander through the installations all by myself in the cool morning air. Not on purpose, that’s just the way it happened. I don’t really like extended time with large groups, but the artwork was phenomenal (and silly, sometimes) and I think I got a lot out of it. I also liked afternoon siesta time, in the hottest part of the day, when we’d sit in the shade and drink margaritas and talk while just about everyone else napped.

I don’t know that you’d get the same kind of inspiration out of it I did, and there was plenty of stupidity and thoughtlessness to deal with (like the girls who peed in the temple in our art installation one fine morning, and all the people who drove away and left their trash). I don’t plan to go again, but I’m glad I went.

On the other stuff, wineries! and I’m glad to hear Mark may be on his way back. I hope he has an uneventful trip!

In the evening after my latest CT scan, I went to a birthday party and was fairly loopy. At some point in the evening, I just randomly shouted out “Mike Wazowski!” Not sure what caused it, but apparently it was pretty funny.

]]> by: Jack http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18695 Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:07:20 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18695 I do agree that #3 doesn't have much to do with age Heather. I'm not much into that kind of camping myself. I grew up spending summers out west with family friends in the Shoshoni. We'd go out for a week or so but it wasn't with the frills that most people associate with camping these days. We ate off the land. And as for San Francisco and I hope I do not give away my age . . . If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair. Safe travels. I do agree that #3 doesn’t have much to do with age Heather. I’m not much into that kind of camping myself. I grew up spending summers out west with family friends in the Shoshoni. We’d go out for a week or so but it wasn’t with the frills that most people associate with camping these days. We ate off the land.

And as for San Francisco and I hope I do not give away my age . . . If you’re going to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.

Safe travels.

]]> by: Ariel http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18689 Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:23:56 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/17/five-by-five/#comment-18689 In terms of #3, I'm not sure it has much to do with age. We had several members of our camp in your exact age bracket, and Burning Man is outrageously popular with 40something San Franciscans and aging deadheads. I think it's just a matter of taste and cultural leanings -- outdoor festival frolics certainly aren't everyone's idea of fun, any more than ren faires, ska shows, or rock climbing are. We all like different things, and while certainly peer group plays its part in who likes what, I'm not sure you can point to your age as a reason this particular culture doesn't resonate. As for me, I love the contrast. After growing up grubby in the woods and turning into an urbanite, there's something delicious about combining the two aesthetics ... and incongruity that tickles me. Then again, Disco camping is also just TOTALLY RIDICULOUS and I am a huge, huge fan of such ridiculousness. In terms of #3, I’m not sure it has much to do with age. We had several members of our camp in your exact age bracket, and Burning Man is outrageously popular with 40something San Franciscans and aging deadheads. I think it’s just a matter of taste and cultural leanings — outdoor festival frolics certainly aren’t everyone’s idea of fun, any more than ren faires, ska shows, or rock climbing are. We all like different things, and while certainly peer group plays its part in who likes what, I’m not sure you can point to your age as a reason this particular culture doesn’t resonate.

As for me, I love the contrast. After growing up grubby in the woods and turning into an urbanite, there’s something delicious about combining the two aesthetics … and incongruity that tickles me. Then again, Disco camping is also just TOTALLY RIDICULOUS and I am a huge, huge fan of such ridiculousness.

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