Comments on: http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/ Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:12:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: Michael http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19335 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:01:56 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19335 Oh, I didn't think you'd remember! I found a copy of the zine a few months ago while I was digging through old papers. God, I look back at that interview and just cringe. Did you ever get a copy of it? I just started again at Shimer after a few years away (funny how often that happens). I have Eileen for IS 5 and 6 and am pleased as punch. Reading the myth of Inanna with her is so much more fun than should be allowed. We have the <i>Iliad</i> next weekend (and the <i>Oresteia</i>! We are just going to town on dysfunctional relationships). I am immensely curious to find out whether the rumors about her interpretation of "Dawn and her rosy-red fingers" are true. I hope you're OK with the description of your work on the Shimer Wikipedia page. You're an exceptionally difficult person to summarize. Oh, I didn’t think you’d remember! I found a copy of the zine a few months ago while I was digging through old papers. God, I look back at that interview and just cringe. Did you ever get a copy of it?

I just started again at Shimer after a few years away (funny how often that happens). I have Eileen for IS 5 and 6 and am pleased as punch. Reading the myth of Inanna with her is so much more fun than should be allowed. We have the Iliad next weekend (and the Oresteia! We are just going to town on dysfunctional relationships). I am immensely curious to find out whether the rumors about her interpretation of “Dawn and her rosy-red fingers” are true.

I hope you’re OK with the description of your work on the Shimer Wikipedia page. You’re an exceptionally difficult person to summarize.

]]> by: Christopher http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19288 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:31:26 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19288 Christ, what a ridiculous set of assholes at the bok signing. Good form not having them boxed and shipped to a remote arctic location, as that would be my natural reaction to that kind of abuse. Glad to hear Sofia is (hopefully) on the mend. Two bits to make you smile; read "The Good Faries of New York", and (also) watch this local "happy feet" smile, as seen at http://www.startribune.com/video/rich_media/1390444.html . Call my cell (or email) with your local plans. Christ, what a ridiculous set of assholes at the bok signing. Good form not having them boxed and shipped to a remote arctic location, as that would be my natural reaction to that kind of abuse.

Glad to hear Sofia is (hopefully) on the mend. Two bits to make you smile; read “The Good Faries of New York”, and (also) watch this local “happy feet” smile, as seen at http://www.startribune.com/video/rich_media/1390444.html .

Call my cell (or email) with your local plans.

]]> by: anne http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19187 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:40:49 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19187 Interesting question, what motivates and allows antisocial behavior as you portrayed in Man Two. Likely each situation is different and general speculation not too useful. Reading your description of the event and knowing you from years of reading Pure as the Driven Slush, I felt like I was there in the bookstore in the audience and such confrontation does make me literally feel sick. Had to come back and read the rest later. Since I think we're only given the problems we can handle, it's no wonder you get some doosies. ...and the intensity of the deal matches our capacity for strength and compassion, since things are often seen as appropriate only in retrospect, or from a distance, I again applaud your writing it down. I can imagine how such a Man Two came about: Marine training or parents, psychosis due to trauma and lack of the capacity for play, fear and terror channeled to aggressive assertion of his saving fixations. So you did the right thing. You heard him. You stuck to the program. You prevailed in a small sense and reestablished the possibility of order. You brought your family together, both the parents and the sense of community for sanity. I think it was the genuine laughter that saved the day. Interesting question, what motivates and allows antisocial behavior as you portrayed in Man Two. Likely each situation is different and general speculation not too useful.
Reading your description of the event and knowing you from years of reading Pure as the Driven Slush, I felt like I was there in the bookstore in the audience and such confrontation does make me literally feel sick. Had to come back and read the rest later.

Since I think we’re only given the problems we can handle, it’s no wonder you get some doosies.
…and the intensity of the deal matches our capacity for strength and compassion, since things are often seen as appropriate only in retrospect, or from a distance, I again applaud your writing it down.

I can imagine how such a Man Two came about: Marine training or parents, psychosis due to trauma and lack of the capacity for play, fear and terror channeled to aggressive assertion of his saving fixations. So you did the right thing. You heard him. You stuck to the program. You prevailed in a small sense and reestablished the possibility of order. You brought your family together, both the parents and the sense of community for sanity. I think it was the genuine laughter that saved the day.

]]> by: Sarah http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19158 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:00:55 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19158 Good grief. Talking over everyone is probably my least favourite anti-social behaviour. It's great to disagree, it's great to be persistent, it's great to ask questions, it's great to bring up things you feel strongly about. But holy crap, share the space. Good for you for not simply losing your temper and taking vengeance on the jerks, Heather. Good grief. Talking over everyone is probably my least favourite anti-social behaviour. It’s great to disagree, it’s great to be persistent, it’s great to ask questions, it’s great to bring up things you feel strongly about. But holy crap, share the space. Good for you for not simply losing your temper and taking vengeance on the jerks, Heather.

]]> by: Heather Corinna http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19126 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:59:00 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19126 Michael: it was one step away from that point. In fact, the staffers there were giving me looks from the back basically wordlessly asking if I wanted them to try (and it really would have been a try), but they were the sort of looks that also said they weren't that comfortable doing that and were feeling pretty freaked themselves, so I considered that a very last resort. But! I'm so glad you commented here, because just last week I was searching for an email for you, having noticed that you're Shimer Michael via adding something about Suzeanne (oh, how I miss her, my best prof ever) to the Wiki entry on me, and I'd wanted to get in touch with you. Amy: I'm always fine with people leaving comments versus email: it's all about your personal preference. And yeah, not so much with the boxing: buddhist, remember. Not so big with the physical attacks when it's not for an exceptionally good reason, and even then, it's pretty iffy at best. Michael: it was one step away from that point. In fact, the staffers there were giving me looks from the back basically wordlessly asking if I wanted them to try (and it really would have been a try), but they were the sort of looks that also said they weren’t that comfortable doing that and were feeling pretty freaked themselves, so I considered that a very last resort.

But! I’m so glad you commented here, because just last week I was searching for an email for you, having noticed that you’re Shimer Michael via adding something about Suzeanne (oh, how I miss her, my best prof ever) to the Wiki entry on me, and I’d wanted to get in touch with you.

Amy: I’m always fine with people leaving comments versus email: it’s all about your personal preference. And yeah, not so much with the boxing: buddhist, remember. Not so big with the physical attacks when it’s not for an exceptionally good reason, and even then, it’s pretty iffy at best.

]]> by: Michael http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19122 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:28:32 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19122 Why didn't anyone take it upon themselves to physically kick them out? Why didn’t anyone take it upon themselves to physically kick them out?

]]> by: Amy J. http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19117 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:57:13 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/27/another-woman-down/#comment-19117 Heather... I mean no disrespect to your post by sending this to you in comments...I don't know your email. I can only imagine what dealing with those guys was like. I kept reading and totally expecting you to pull out some kick boxin' on those guys, lol. I'm so glad you had a good reception. And I totally LOVED that your parents came to your add like that. That was AWESOME! Ok, here's something to make you smile, hopefully anyway : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WElJp2Hj56U Heather…

I mean no disrespect to your post by sending this to you in comments…I don’t know your email.

I can only imagine what dealing with those guys was like. I kept reading and totally expecting you to pull out some kick boxin’ on those guys, lol. I’m so glad you had a good reception. And I totally LOVED that your parents came to your add like that. That was AWESOME!

Ok, here’s something to make you smile, hopefully anyway :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WElJp2Hj56U

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