Comments on: http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/ Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:14:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: Seventh Carnival of Radical Feminists « Carnival of Radical Feminists http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-27324 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:28:35 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-27324 [...] Heather Corinna talks about how all of sexuality and sex studies have been conducted with one group in mind, and not surprisingly that group is men in Disorders of Desire posted at heather corinna: pure as the driven slush. She also talks about how our sexuality is demonised still in One ring to rule them all | Scarleteen at Scarleteen Newswire. [...] […] Heather Corinna talks about how all of sexuality and sex studies have been conducted with one group in mind, and not surprisingly that group is men in Disorders of Desire posted at heather corinna: pure as the driven slush. She also talks about how our sexuality is demonised still in One ring to rule them all | Scarleteen at Scarleteen Newswire. […]

]]> by: Maroo http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-19734 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 03:02:10 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-19734 he-ter-o-nor-ma-tiv-i-ty --- 8 syllables, followed by Grr. - one syllable. Classic! Your intelligence is only surpassed by your passion! Thanks for doing what you do!!! he-ter-o-nor-ma-tiv-i-ty — 8 syllables, followed by Grr. - one syllable. Classic! Your intelligence is only surpassed by your passion! Thanks for doing what you do!!!

]]> by: Raven http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-19658 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:08:39 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-19658 Keep speaking your truth Heather. There are days when there is no one to applaude, sanction, god speed or just listen. A prophet has no further responsibility than to deliver their message. Don't suffer fools. Be confident in your gift. Keep speaking your truth Heather. There are days when there is no one to applaude, sanction, god speed or just listen. A prophet has no further responsibility than to deliver their message. Don’t suffer fools. Be confident in your gift.

]]> by: JENNIFER DREW http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-19492 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:33:07 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-19492 Heather I was introduced to your website Scarleteen some months ago and I find this site so refreshing given the heterosexist and male-defined ideas concerning human sexuality. I read Janice Irvine's book some years ago and it too helped me to understand how female sexualities continues to be defined by men for men. There is a long history of women repeatedly saying they do not find intercourse to be the 'real sexual act' because it does not satisfy them. Yet, to even dare say this is still considered a heresy. I've also read Womens' Sexuality Across The Life span by Judith C. Daniluk which rarely actually analyses female sexualities from womens' perspective. Margaret Jackson, an English academic wrote a book called The Real Facts of Life a few years ago. This book analysed the historical perspective of how early feminists in the UK attempted to re-define female sexualities but once again it was hijacked by the newly burgeoning sexologists. Havelock Ellis comes to mind immediately. Historically speaking since the beginning of the 20th century numerous self-help books on female sexualities have been published and they all promoted the myth that women's sexualities needed to be adjusted in order to accommodate and promote the myth that penetration is the only real sexual act. I am also a researcher in human sexualities and like you I have found it very difficult to locate any books which take a different perspective from the dominant view of what supposedly comprises appropriate female sexual expression. Heather I was introduced to your website Scarleteen some months ago and I find this site so refreshing given the heterosexist and male-defined ideas concerning human sexuality. I read Janice Irvine’s book some years ago and it too helped me to understand how female sexualities continues to be defined by men for men. There is a long history of women repeatedly saying they do not find intercourse to be the ‘real sexual act’ because it does not satisfy them. Yet, to even dare say this is still considered a heresy. I’ve also read Womens’ Sexuality Across The Life span by Judith C. Daniluk which rarely actually analyses female sexualities from womens’ perspective. Margaret Jackson, an English academic wrote a book called The Real Facts of Life a few years ago. This book analysed the historical perspective of how early feminists in the UK attempted to re-define female sexualities but once again it was hijacked by the newly burgeoning sexologists. Havelock Ellis comes to mind immediately. Historically speaking since the beginning of the 20th century numerous self-help books on female sexualities have been published and they all promoted the myth that women’s sexualities needed to be adjusted in order to accommodate and promote the myth that penetration is the only real sexual act. I am also a researcher in human sexualities and like you I have found it very difficult to locate any books which take a different perspective from the dominant view of what supposedly comprises appropriate female sexual expression.

]]> by: Heather Corinna http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-19480 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:49:48 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-19480 Alecia: I agree with you. But just to be clear, Montessori-based observation is always about the individual child, for the most part, and general management of the flow of your classroom. In other words, you sit, with your notes, you observe a given child or the whole room, and you do that to determine either that child's needs -- what are they choosing to work on, what are they drawn to, etc. -- or how your classroom is working -- is this given area overfull, are a lot of children misusing the materials, and therefore, you clearly need to give a group lesson on how to use them, etc. There's not the overaching standardized stuff in that method, not are things getting to statistics or surveys, etc. It's also an educational system that's very much woman-started and female-dominated (especially since it's based in and starts with ECE), and in many respects, was a protest to more mainstream educational approaches and policies, especially given it was developed expressly for and through very low-income kids, and by a woman sick of a lot of systems. Too, it should be said that when I'm talking education, I'm nearly always talking alternative ed, since that's all I've worked in, wuite purposefully. On the other hand, perhaps ironically, perhaps not, and to bring it full-circle, Maria Montesorri was the first female doctor in Italy, so her training before she developed the method, was, in fact, medical. Do with that what you will. :) Alecia: I agree with you. But just to be clear, Montessori-based observation is always about the individual child, for the most part, and general management of the flow of your classroom. In other words, you sit, with your notes, you observe a given child or the whole room, and you do that to determine either that child’s needs — what are they choosing to work on, what are they drawn to, etc. — or how your classroom is working — is this given area overfull, are a lot of children misusing the materials, and therefore, you clearly need to give a group lesson on how to use them, etc. There’s not the overaching standardized stuff in that method, not are things getting to statistics or surveys, etc. It’s also an educational system that’s very much woman-started and female-dominated (especially since it’s based in and starts with ECE), and in many respects, was a protest to more mainstream educational approaches and policies, especially given it was developed expressly for and through very low-income kids, and by a woman sick of a lot of systems.

Too, it should be said that when I’m talking education, I’m nearly always talking alternative ed, since that’s all I’ve worked in, wuite purposefully.

On the other hand, perhaps ironically, perhaps not, and to bring it full-circle, Maria Montesorri was the first female doctor in Italy, so her training before she developed the method, was, in fact, medical. Do with that what you will. :)

]]> by: alecia http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-19382 Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:43:44 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-19382 <i>Maybe it’s the ex-Montessori teacher in me speaking, but I am so troubled by the process of mindful observation somehow being tossed out of the credible pile, when, in fact, that is what”’scientific” data is supposed to largely be in the first place.</i> It's interesting that you couch this within education (Montessori teaching) because so much of the same happens in education research and especially policy. There are a huge number of people (mostly policymakers, and therefore largely men) who make the significant assumption that if something is statistically quantifiable, then it is Empirically True. Ethnography, interview, and other forms of qualitative observation-based research are often discounted even before anyone has bothered to cross-check whether the observations and the numbers seem to be telling the same kinds of stories. Of course, they often don't, in many cases because the numbers come straight out of some "unbiased" survey that may or may not capture what's important in a community. And isn't that kind of measurement bias a bias too? Anyway... this rant brought to you by my desire to say YES in response to this entry. Have a good trip, and I am also looking forward to seeing the creative work when you get back! Maybe it’s the ex-Montessori teacher in me speaking, but I am so troubled by the process of mindful observation somehow being tossed out of the credible pile, when, in fact, that is what”’scientific” data is supposed to largely be in the first place.

It’s interesting that you couch this within education (Montessori teaching) because so much of the same happens in education research and especially policy. There are a huge number of people (mostly policymakers, and therefore largely men) who make the significant assumption that if something is statistically quantifiable, then it is Empirically True. Ethnography, interview, and other forms of qualitative observation-based research are often discounted even before anyone has bothered to cross-check whether the observations and the numbers seem to be telling the same kinds of stories. Of course, they often don’t, in many cases because the numbers come straight out of some “unbiased” survey that may or may not capture what’s important in a community. And isn’t that kind of measurement bias a bias too?

Anyway… this rant brought to you by my desire to say YES in response to this entry. Have a good trip, and I am also looking forward to seeing the creative work when you get back!

]]> by: Lena http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-19374 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:35:13 +0000 http://www.femmerotic.com/journal/2007/08/30/disorders-of-desire/#comment-19374 I'm really looking forward to seeing bits and hints of the artwork you'll be producing when you return. Have a good trip, and I hope you can get to at least a little of that reading while you're gone. I’m really looking forward to seeing bits and hints of the artwork you’ll be producing when you return. Have a good trip, and I hope you can get to at least a little of that reading while you’re gone.

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